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Or we are engulfed in modern ego’s systems and Politicians propaganda systems and trying to misrepresent what Ravidas preached. Am not satisfied with many modern systems. If it was not preserved in Sri Guru Granth Sahib text I bet it would have been lost changed or manipulated many times by now. Call him Guru or Bhagat or Saint or whatever honorable word, but does he care? What he preached? his teaching are the value.
Have you ever paid attention, He had no ego and never called or represented him self as master or Guru even for his spiritual teachings. He him self followd a ego less honest ture path of devotion and bhagti.
Bhagat Ravidas who is considered The Bhagat and or Satguru by many and his teaching are followed by a number of others and Sikhs. This Coming Sunday Community Prayer will be held At Ravidas Temple Houston 7902 Boone Road Houston, TX 77072 on Feb 24th From 11:30AM to 1:30PM all are invited to Join.
Ravidas, a Harijan by birth, taught equiality spirituality based on setting free from the oppression of the Indian hindu caste system then. He was born in an oppressed community known as Chamars, who were considered “untouchable” by upper class hindu’s. Hindus brahmins would take a shower even if they see or touch a Chamar by mistake. If a Chamar enters in there home they will purify the home by water and mantra. Food or bowls if touched by a Chamar was trashed. They were treated even worse in deeper history as to deafen them if they hear any educational lesson reserved for high caste hindus.
Ravidas was denied any acceptance by high caste hindu Indian majority. Ravidas attracted the lowest class of society according to the caste system.
As result of Bhagat Ravidass Ji being a low caste (Chamar) he faced unbearable casteism and unfair prejudice and therefore he was not permitted to follow any faith or worship God as it was normal practice in hinduism for long time and still exists to discriminate lower castes, however his powers & divinity with God couldn’t stop him from doing anything. He proved to all discriminates, that NOTHING could stop a man from acquiring the devotion & presence of God within himself.
Ravidas philosophy or Bhagti path was inline as promoted by other Sikh Saints & Guru’sthat Deny brahmin system & philosophy. Ravidas was Met, Accepted, Honored and Given the most honor Only by Sikh guru’s in Sikh Faith Admitting & by preserving his spiritual teaching is in Sri Guru Granth Sahib, That still today are read and listened by millions worldwide daily.
Some People argue Guru or Bhagat, I would say It makes not much difference. If you are Spiritual and listening to Sri Guru Granth Sahib then he is in there I bow down and salute to him, to Guru Granth Sahib. If you are reading researching or writing the history or studying hierarchy in Sikhism then Guru word for Ravidas might conflict. Other then that its all propaganda and uneducated ego’s . Like I said Above ” Have you ever paid attention, He had no ego and never called or represented him self as master or Guru even for his spiritual teachings. He him self followd a ego less honest ture path of devotion and bhagti. ” Ravidass was not Hindu and like Guru Nanak he denied hindu system, caste system, idol worshiping etc. and not have any religion but GOD, yes ONE GOD. yes IK ONKAR. So he had no demand or objection getting his philophesy into Sri Guru Granth Sahib. But some people or followers have more ego & demands to set him seprate then ravidas him self (he had none) Please read Ravidas shabad bani understand the meaning then tell what’s argue on or if there should be any argueat all?
Now Gurudwara or Temple is almost Same as paragraph above. Even though Amritsar is also called Golden Temple or Har-Mandir but word just “temple” brings to mind like a temple of one of 16000 gods in hinduism with many idols there to worship, Which is Strictly against Ravidas Teaching & philophesy and Sikhism. So if there is Guru Granth Sahib its more approriate to call it Gurudwara but temple may be Ok too as long as you follow the teaching and decipline described in HOLY text Sri Gru Granth Sahib, Let there be ONE GOD yes ONE GOD. yes Baba Nanak’s IK ONKAR, Let there be no Kam, Krodh, Lobh, Moh, ahankar. Be it Gurudwara or temple if there are any idols or things against or does not follow the Guru then you are missing some thing and not following Ravidas teachings or Sri Guru Granth.
Guru (Guru Granth Sahib is that include all the saints Bhagats and gurus teachings and is Guru ) yes ONE GOD ie ONE GURU yours and mine same. What would you call it!
It is true that Guru Ravidass was a Chamar and what he done for low caste people is unforgetable. Poor people faced unimaginable levels of oppression in those days and unfortunately so called ‘low caste’ people still feel it today. But current political parties try to maniplute peoples minds and histories to any extant, for hisorical facts to daily routines. But hey! your Guru is still there its Sri Guru Granth Sahib Read in and get the desired Spirtual Guidance and avoid all unnecessary world worries and problems.






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Guru Nanak Ji, heard what Ravidass Ji had to say and wrote it in his book. To me that looks like Guru Nanak Ji learnt from Ravidass Ji. With that I’ll let you decide who was who’s Guru or Bhagat, but I’m sure your ego will not allow you to see the truth.
As Bulleh Shah said, rab onu milda jina de saff hai neeta.
Avtar Singh Ji, I am a low caste from UP we have few punjabi’s in our village. Yet I know Guru Nanak did not wrote any book. Granth was compiled by 9th or 10th guru. in modern times I have to change my political sides but I can not forget the fact that it was Sikh Guru who offered so much respect for us lowcaste that let us sit with them in same pangat/line. but here are “avtar singh’ a fake . I can say you are not a punjabi much less a singh other wise you should know who wrote what book? you can not be a low caste either. You are one of those call center type paid & sponsored spoilers. your only job is to try to create misunderstanding or division between Sikh’s or anyone who might go that way. Do you get paid hourly for this?
As for me I go to Ravidas Gordwara in our US city here. But am very clear who offered us place and respect in history. For me Ravidas is our Guru because he was from same caste as me - may be he was my grand pa , So i want to show him respect and take him as my guru but 10 Sikh Guru are my Guru too, because they did not kept there offering only for there circle or caste. But your type people are neither guru ravidas followers neither any other guru followers.
there is no argument on who is who.
RAVIDAS JI is a The great for all of us. He sitting in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. He is not lower or higher than anyone. Ik amrit dhara hai, jis vich Nanak te Ravidas samajande ne.Sanu murkha nu eh nahin samajh lagde ke Ravidas uhna vich aa ke betha ta ki uh v uplift ho sakan. Chammar oh nahin assi ha jo neech sochde han. Come on sikho, we should uplift us to match him not to bring Him down.
Jaatpat da jhagrda murakh te mood pande ne na ke sikh.
Jago sikh jago. please——————–.
totally agree with sh.arvinder singh
Pravo….i dont knoe much about what happend in the past…but realie appreciate wat arvinder singh said…..No caste is gud or bad….It is the people whos doings reflect on their caste…So..brothers Change Karm Karo Te….Change Naam Kamao…